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Gypsy Stone II by amayamua Gypsy Stone II by amayamua
EDIT: So apparently this photo is creating a lot of attention due to people thinking I'm being racist. I am sorry that some of you feel that way. I did not style this shoot, I just did the makeup. However, these headdresses are not traditional and not sacred , they are made in Bali and are actually for sale here where I live, by the boutique that this shoot was for. And I am not being racist calling the picture "Gypsy Stone", that is the name of the boutique. It saddens me that some of you are so against this, as many of you have stated, it's like telling anyone other than a Christian, that they can't where a crucifix, but you see it in common fashion on a regular basis. Obviously we were not trying to make a bad statement about Native Americans, if anything we are trying to show beauty. So I apologise to those of you who disagree with this image. For those who wrote kind words, thank you so much, it's very appreciated : )

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Makeup I did a while back for a boutique called Gypsy Stone.

Photography: Lizz Pennings
Makeup Artist: Me
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gregchapin Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Great photo.

I think it's interesting that people are so tolerant of so many things and a photo like this can set them off. To me, It really proves one thing. People are crazy.

I wouldn't waste any time trying to explain it to those who want to shake things up. Half of them are probably pretending to be mad to get a response from you.
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amayamua Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
Haha that's true : )
Thanks for the kind words.
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gregchapin Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Dont mention it... there's got to be a voice of reason somewhere. Not everyone should be crazy at the same time.
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fernandoenamorado Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
shes hot as hell! beautiful and creative :D
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SheRRy7100 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
lovely !
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
thanks ^u^
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AmandaMo1127 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would like to thank the artist that uploaded this pic, once again for being so patient with all of our debating. I have certainly contributed to the controversy, and have garnered some pretty harsh words as a response to my opinion. And yes, they are words that offend me. but I'm not going to go on a crusade, to place my offense on a pedestal. Instead I will give credit to the uploader, and then leave this comment section alone.

I have more important things to do, than argue against people who call me racist, bigot, cruel, and other horrible things, when I KNOW that's not what I am. I don't need the world to mold around me, to know what I am, who I am. Just like the NA community doesn't need the world to mold around them either. In that regard, we are equal, and that's how it should be.

:heart: to Amayamua. You deserve it for putting up with loud mouths like me. :hug:
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
Haha, I didn't mind, it was nice to have someone see the situation from my point of view. And I think a lot of people commenting are American, so to them it probably is a big deal, but in Australia it is not unusual to see the head pieces being sold in shops or used in photographs. I suppose to Americans it is the same way we think of the Aboriginal community in Australia, we aren't allowed to produce art in their style (all the lil dots and things), but I'm not about to tell someone in America off if they use it... Anyhow, I don't mind people sending their hate comments now, I was upset at first because I was unaware that people cared about that sort of thing, but now that I've seen how many people instantly start calling me racist and bantering "my" photography, without bothering to read the description, which tells me they are just looking to start fights on here without any real cause. I have read enough hate comments now and the image still remains, so obviously no matter how many people send they aren't making much of a difference, I just skim past those ones. The only difference that will be made if I keep getting these remarks is the comments turned off, which I don't want to have to do, but we'll see. Thanks for your support anyway AmandaMo1127 : )
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AmandaMo1127 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome. :thanks:
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Vespayik Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Still cultural appropriation, still disrespectful to Native American culture. Nope nope nopity nope, no wonder this got so much attention.
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danbuter Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
Ignore whiny "offended" people. They are just trolling you. I'm betting most of them have never even met an American Indian.
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David-McCamant Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It is a engaging image. After donning the headdress she looks toward the horizon, back in time, trying to understand a culture different from hers. Beautiful.
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
: ) that's a lovely way to put it.
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fortitude1 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
Okay what's with blacked out eye brows now-a-days? Did some resurrect Jennifer Connelly or something with me knowing???
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
haha the stylist wanted them like that
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fortitude1 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
seriously tho... I'm noticing more and more women wearing their eyebrows like that. Personally, i had a crush on Paulina Poreskova and Jennifer Connelly, i just wanna know where this influence is coming from.
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional General Artist
yeh I dunno, but it's definitely in fashion. or it could have gone back out by now, i did this makeup about 6 months ago haha
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Khainsaw Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The whole "wearing it is pretending to be another race" card... stupid. That would be like saying that whenever someone wears a T-shirt they are pretending to be white, because white people invented the T-shirt. Anyone who wants to compare wearing an item that is sacred to them even if it is for fashion or fun, to something like blackface or racial slurs is a moron. Like I keep saying, stop glorifying your own race in comparison to others. To me it looks like you are belittling African Americans by trying to compare the actually racist shit they have had to deal with to having people emulate an important NA symbol into their wardrobe. Now if someone was wearing a headdress AND wearing brownface, and running around with a tomahawk in one hand and a bottle of alcohol in the other while shouting , I can see why one might be offended. THAT would be the equivalent of blackface. OR if someone was wearing an actual headdress made by a NA, then that might be cutting close to offensive, since it was made by your own race, and could qualify as 'sacred'. Most of the headdresses AREN'T made by NAs, so that specific headdress isn't, and SHOULD NOT BE sacred to you. Cultures bleed together, and to expect that the headdress WON'T bleed into another culture is the epitome of naive thinking. Also, the crucifix... people in Korea wear those ALL THE TIME and a large proportion of them aren't Christian. No one cares. WEARING=/=DESCRATION. I don't know how you people do not understand that. And I think it's a bit hypocritical... saying that someone CAN'T wear a headdress because they aren't Native OR Male, is both racist and sexist. Think of how badly shit would hit the fan if white people said that Native American people weren't allowed to wear a crucifix or convert because their ancestors weren't Christians. Same thing.
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
haha thank you. i like your spiel! and i totally agree : )
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Pyonkotcchi Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
a T-shirt is NOT part of a sacred culture. a native american headpiece IS. You have to earn the right to wear one, its part of their culture and its sacred.
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Khainsaw Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So NA culture is the only sacred culture? What makes NA culture more sacred than the culture of the rest of the country? What is sacred to one person may not be sacred to another, and vice versa. Okay so yeah, it is part of THEIR culture. And to their culture it is sacred. But it's not to everyone else. That is like expecting everyone else to convert to your religion, and follow their religions rules. "Gay people shouldn't be able to get married because MY religion says so" is literally exactly the same as "Non natives shouldn't be able to wear the headdress because MY culture says so". They are both ignorant statements. Not everyone is part of your culture, so not everyone has to follow your rules. What is happening is not evil or unethical. If someone wants to wear the headdress, they can, end of story. There is nothing racist about it. It is literally doing nothing to HARM anyone, unlike racial slurs and blackface, which ignorant people keep comparing this to.
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CaptainDesertPirate Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
The warbonnet in particular is a scared part of specific NA cultures. It's something that was reserved for men, and particularly men who held high status like warriors and chiefs. Warbonnets were earned, not simply handed out for whatever. It was not a common part of their clothing, at least not until more settlers came and natives were forced to homogenize and take on a certain image that settlers expected.
It's disrespectful to take the warbonnet and turn it into a fashion item.

Many NA people suggest making a headband instead of a warbonnet style headdress to avoid disrespecting their culture.
Crucifixes are not something designated for Christian men only. Warbonnets aren't about religion, they're ceremonial unlike the simple cross. Wearing a yarmulke when you're neither Jewish nor a man might be a closer comparison, since it is something worn only by Jewish men for specific purpose.

I don't agree with the automatic 'racist' designation. You can disrespect someone and their heritage without being racist. It's disrespectful to say 'Your church HAS to marry same sex couples', when federal recognition of marriage doesn't require a religious ceremony. It's disrespectful to say 'I'm not part of your culture so I can do what I want, and you can stfu'.
Claiming it does no harm is ignorant. It causes harm through making a ceremonial item part of a cheap costume, degrading the purpose and respect for it. It degrades an important part of specific NA cultures, and degrading parts of their culture is harmful.
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TwoDecks Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
It is not as set in stone as you make it seem [link]
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CaptainDesertPirate Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
A single picture with what appears to be no story behind it taken in 1905 proves something?
Did you skim over the part about NA people wearing the war bonnets to appease settlers and fit the 'appearance' that was had of natives?

Since there is no explanation behind why she is wearing the war bonnet, it could be that she's simply dressed up for the sake of appeasing people who expect all natives to look that way.
One instance without any explanation doesn't prove anything. If that were the case, any picture of any woman wearing a war bonnet would prove that the custom is not set in stone.
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TwoDecks Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
No explanation is better than making one up to dismiss it.
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry to contribute to the fighting on your piece. I was just pushed over the edge by the comments. And I know y'all weren't trying to offend Native Americans. Again, I apologize. At least you represented my culture beautifully. I can thank you for that
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amayamua Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
ok thanks : )
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup :)
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KevinBrownArt Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
she is hot
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iruler4u Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
i love this picture and think you did a great job , and guys shut up please if you take any offence then shut the fudge up if you dislike the picture okay but you don't have to run your mouth and put a Fucking comment i'm not trying to be mean but this pic is beautiful and you guys are being asses for saying how racist you are purposely trying to find the worst in everything aren't you , this is very much an awesome pic so don't let people get to you there jealous
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dummees Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed, the picture is beautiful, but you really have to take account as to the important piece of history/culture that is so loosely thrown about as just another object for a photograph.
People mistake racism for being offensive, though. This isn't saying native americans are terrible people, it's just a lack of education to their customs and abusing that for a photograph.
Unfortunately, this isn't a type of topic where one can just ignore it if it offends them. I don't think people would act the same way if someone made a beautiful picture of some very hateful messages from Westboro Baptist Church? Yes, the picture is beautiful as a picture, but the message it's sending is most certainly not.
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iruler4u Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
i under stand you feel that way but you guys have to understand that this was not for you to get mad about or feel that your religions were tarnished this was for fun not to hurt and make fights they love doing what they do with there photography and i'm sure this was not to make you mad or anyone else so please understand we all make mistakes but this is not one of them that needs to become something to difficult to handle
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dummees Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, no, I understand that.
The artist even noticed that this could have been offensive, so she at least knows. And I'm not angry at her for that. As I said, the photo itself is great, just the subject is a bit touchy. She didn't mean to do it, which is fine. It was just from a...rather unfortunate boutique with a racist slur for a name. That's who I'd blame the most I think, not necessarily the photographer.
What was done justice is the headdress's beauty, but unfortunately not the culture. Ah, well. We all make mistakes.
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iruler4u Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student General Artist
yup and learn from them :)
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
At least in our final years the world should at least let us maintain our dignity after all the shit it has put us through
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Khainsaw Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Playing the victim again. This reminds me of when I hear about African Americans trying to sue the ancestors of the plantation owners. It didn't happen to you. Your race has as many opportunities as any other, stop blaming the past for your problems.
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
but like ladyChanta said, we'll be gone in about 50 years anyways so you can look forward to not hearing our complaints anymore. Congrats
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Do you know what it is like to wait 25 years just to prove to your "nation" that you deserve to have rights too?
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Really? Because I was denied a college scholarship because my tribe was too new aka, not 25+ years old. Tell me racism is dead. Go ahead, I'm waiting. I'm not playing victim. I am trying to stand up for my culture's dignity. I dont even get to research my family's history because there is none. My family is always mocked as dirty Mexicans which is a whole 'nother level of bad. We aren't even Mexican! and tell me, have you ever had the KKK leave a note on your doorstep? Because I have.
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Khainsaw Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Why the fuck are you trying to get scholarships based on race anyways? I think college scholarships based on race are about the most hypocritical thing I can possibly think of. THIS PROVES that certain minorities want to be catered to. White people don't have special scholarships. Uh you want to be equal? Well then you shouldn't have any special scholarships either. SCHOLARSHIPS AND BENEFITS BASED SOLELY UPON RACE ARE RACIST. End of story. It doesn't matter how underprivileged your demographic might be, special scholarships are racist. If you are as underprivileged as you think you are, the federal government gives you grants and loans that you don't have to pay until you graduate, so college should technically be paid for... if your parents truly can't afford to pay. If not, your family isn't as poor as you think they are. Oh, hoo boo boo boo, you can't research your families history? Well neither can I cause my mother was adopted, and I don't talk to my father. Oh well. More people than you know can't research family history. And as interesting as it is, it isn't something that is important for day to day living. The only thing you can do is try to make it so the generations you spawn will keep track of it. So you get mistaken for another race? Why does it matter if you get called a "dirty Mexican" if you aren't Mexican? Are you offended because you are actually racist against Mexicans? I'm sure you aren't, but that's how you made it sound. What does the KKK leaving a note at your door have to do with anything, besides making you play the victim again? It might be a bit scary, but what, you can't be a successful human being since that happened? I'm half white, and I am from a suburb that is pretty much 99% white. I had to deal with plenty of ridicule and racist remarks when I was a child, and at first it bothered me, but then I MATURED. You are only the victim if you choose to be.
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am offended for the Mexican race that people used them as a slur in the first place. That is what I meant by a whole 'nother level of bad.
I do not choose to be a victim as I have built myself up through bad circumstances. I choose not to get into a "my life was worse" contest with you because it is as undignified as this argument. This is actually the first time I have ever said anything about anything like this because I like to keep it to myself but those open racial slurs in the comments pushed me over the edge. And dont you DARE mock me because you think your parental situation is terrible. There is worse in the world, trust me. If you think I play the victim then you got another thing coming. I used those stories to make a point not garner pity because people like that disgust me. I was angry that people were giving me a hard time because I made a (very polite) point to the artist that it might offend more traditional native americans. The artist even accepted my apology, so I dont know why people keep cluttering my inbox with utter nonsense. I came to dA to post art. I made one comment and people blew up on me. I should not have to recieve so much shit just for trying to stand up for my culture's dignity. If you have endured the racism you say you have, then you would understand my feelings. I am done with this whole argument, I am not accustomed to fighting with people and this whole situation makes me feel sick. I'm gone. Have a good day.
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TwoDecks Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
To add to that, if you are below a certain poverty threshold, the government will let you repay your student loans at $0 a month with no compounded interest. So long as you meet the requirements, this can continue for about 25 years until your loan is forgiven.
This is based on income and family size, not race.
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AmandaMo1127 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This X 1000. You are only a victim if you choose to be. Thank you thank you....

thank you.

XD
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well god-forbid I would defend my culture. I guess I should have known it was fruitless since the US government has been kind enough to time and time again to remind me and my people that we are not real humans anyways. However, I find it ironic: if I had posted something to offend Christianity I would have had a billion comments of how I am a terrible human being. I am disappointed in this entire country. I have no words and I know my dad and his ancestors are rolling in their graves right now. You have no idea what it is like to have your entire bloodline and culture dying all around you...
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iruler4u Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
okay listen i don't need your life story nor any one else for that matter i am not a racist bitch that makes fun of other religions especially sense i don't really believe in my own but that has no right to start hating on US and other religions i no how it feels to have all your family and friends dying around you so quit bitching they have fun in photography they love it hopefully so stop picking fights now i'm done talking to you have anything else to say keep it to yourself oh and i'm sure i have the same culture as you but like i said i don't believe as hard as you might but i let stuff like this humor me so please don't take to much offence
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
OMG I cant believe I am still doing this, but if you read the comments you will see that I was complimenting the artist and ranting against the people in the comments who were writing openly racists slurs against Native Americans. If you read the comments you will see that I apologized to the artist for contributing to the fighting on their comments. The only thing that pisses me off in this world of racism of any kind. Guess what? I have reacted like this to people bashing whites before too. It's not the race that bugs me. It is the unnecessary hatred. I was telling my story to express my point that racism is not dead. I was not looking for a fight. I am just sick of these terribly ignorant things that people write. Okay have a good day I am done here
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wait never mind, they arent rolling in their graves! Because you people built buildings and shit over them! SILLY ME!
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RxJoker Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow you make me not want to be part of my own freaking heritage.

Hate to break it to you, but Native American's weren't the only race to be singled out, terminated, and built over.

What about all the people who dress up as witches for halloween? What about their sacred rights to the pentacle? the Offensiveness that us parading their religion around?

While I can understand the offensiveness of the headdress, it's still nothing to adamantly soapbox, now if the girl in question was saying "omg I'm totally like part Cherokee! this hat is to honor that!" I'd be taking a stand and hopefully educating her instead of just harassing everyone.

Also depending on a handout based upon ancestry/race is never a good idea, now if you were a hardworking person who deserved a little help that's fine, but don't just expect it because you're a certain race. And don't think you're above anyone else for being the race you are, which is exactly what you are doing.

You're blindly bashing someone else based upon their race, which I don't know if you don't know but that racist and what the KKK does...

She's not blatantly misrepresenting a entire nation or causing harm, she's not saying it was a passed down war bonnet from her great great great great grandfather, at this point it's just aesthetic and really really hate to burst your bubble but most of today's fashion is based off some historical element most of which is race based.

You really need to get off your high horse and learn to be accepting of everyone and give out education and compassion, not anger and hate and demand reparations for stuff done to your ancestors.

You live THIS like, not the past. Do not drag people into the past it will not help you.

Also if they're in a grave and a building is over them, they can still roll in it.

Also there are a buttload of white people under buildings in america...
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Nativa-Basco Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Do I hate on the US? No. Despite whatever flaws there may be, it still stands that I love my country without fail. Do I hate white people? Um, hello, my other half of my lineage is white. I hate no race because every race has it's douchebags and it's heroes. By the way if you actually read my comments you will see that I COMPLIMENTED the person who posted this picture because I respect them as an artist. Actually read my comments and see that I was bashing the people who wrote stuff in the comments openly slurring Native Americans. Do the world a favor and actually READ before you accuse me of being on my high horse. Because you will then see that the only thing I hate in this world is racism and that is what I was ranting about. Thank you have a good day.
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Pyonkotcchi Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
calling someone racist is worse than being racist :D
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